Why should I not commit suicide?

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Furthermore, pleasurable things are still absolutely still pleasurable - we knew that before because no one has ever actively chosen to like chocolate cake, we just did - and that didn't make the cake less delicious. It might seem small but the interpersonal and political impact is nothing but huge. One day, all these suicidal thoughts will just be a memory.

I am working in one of the top most software companies in India. The falling rock analogy and the interpretations seemed a bit off to me.

The ONE Reason You Should NOT Commit Suicide!

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If you are feeling suicidal, please get help by visiting or using other resources. See also our discussion of philosophy and mental health issues. Encouraging other users to commit suicide, even in the abstract, is strictly forbidden. If you have unrelated thoughts or don't wish to read the content, please post your own thread or simply refrain from commenting. Comments which are clearly not in direct response to the posted content may be removed. Comments that solely express musings, opinions, beliefs, or assertions without argument may be removed. Users with a history of such comments may be banned. Slurs, racism, and bigotry are absolutely not permitted. On suicide, it only said that it isn't a good response because it negates the problem rather than solving it. I'm not too familiar with Camus' work, so maybe someone can help me understand, but it seems like for one who believes existence is absolutely meaningless, there cannot be said to be a problem in the first place. That assumes some other plane of reality that does have meaning, or the possibility of attaining meaning, right. Something against which we compare our own and find it lacking. So that part at the end when Mario is happy, is that Camus' idea of meaningful existence, or just a way to endure meaninglessness. It it's the latter, then suicide still seems like a more viable way to escape meaninglessness. If it's the former, then I don't see how he can say life is meaningless in the first place. I think there's a bit why shouldn t we commit suicide confusion with the meaningless; it's less of a nihilistic meaningless No value and more of the expecting the universe to offer you a validation for you and it does not meaningless. It's meaningless that life appears senselessness and full of toil and in the end, does not matter. In the mind of a nihilist there probably isn't a problem, but for Camus at least, that friction Man's search for meaning; the universe's indifference is the problem and would lead naturally to suicide. But, by committing suicide, you're allowing the absurd to overwhelm you without giving it a fight, your fight. The thing with Mario is that for as pointless rolling that barrel up the mountain appears, he has reason to be happy, for he is freedom from the idea of another plane of existence, another reality, something transcendent. He is also scorning the pull of death, while also, in a sense, shaking his fist at Donkey Kong that he refuses to surrender to this tragedy. He's escaped why shouldn t we commit suicide illusions of his fate and is living in full awareness of it. Now, the more you go into the essay, Camus explains how the Absurd Man should life his or her life. One of the things I never really see mentioned about Sysiphus why shouldn t we commit suicide the boulder is that it's when the boulder falls down the hill again that the meaning of life can be created because it's in that decent that there is temporary relief from the struggle and one can take in the why shouldn t we commit suicide of the world from that vantage point and find joy. Crosby, There is no justification for life, but also no reason not to live. Those who claim to find meaning in their lives are either dishonest or deluded. In either case, they fail to face up to the harsh reality of the human situations. He will not be anything until later, and then he will be what he makes of himself. Because the very definition of absurdism dictates that finding meaning is impossible, and Camus' flavor of absurdism dismisses all rational thought philosophy, science, etc. Because he can't or won't argue for the truth of his points, he presents them through truisms and obvious themes. Distilling those themes you arrive at this basic line of reasoning: 1. Life is absurd and ever honest person knows that 2. Suicide is not the only response to absurdity. There are attitudes one can adopt that can keep one from suicide. This is the lesson to be learned from Sisyphus. Death falls into the category of calm, familiar surfaces. In summary, he argues that suicide is a denial of one's freedom. Perhaps Sartre summed it up best when he describes the protagonist of The Stranger this way: The absurd man will not commit suicide; he wants to live, without relinquishing any of his certainty, without a future, without hope, without illusions. He stares at death with passionate attention and this fascination liberates him. You're absolutely right when you say that absurdism doesn't necessarily rule out the existence of meaning, just humanity's ability to find or recognize it. When I said impossible, I was referring to the fact that - in Camus' world - it is impossible for humans to recognize meaning. As an aside, I always found that an amusing thought, that perhaps one of us humans has truly discovered the source of meaning, but we simply have no way of recognizing the treasure in our hands. People want to feel emotion and be happy. We appropriate meaning to lead us to a greater and more-sustained happiness. If eternal life was inevitable, we wouldn't need to find a meaning. If everything was contained in and accessible by our conscious mind, we could simply choose to engage in some kind of imagined celestial orgy in perpetuity where any desire could be instantaneously fulfilled. In this case, time ceases to exist and the experience of life becomes synonymous with the idea of heaven or nirvana. That argument doesn't seem very sound to me. So I was wondering, does negate mean something different in philosophy. Are there some assumptions or principles to camus' works that might change the above. The harm wasn't the point I was trying to make, the point was that a problem is caused In this case liver damage, which is harm but it's the problem part I was focusing onand the logic I got from this video would suggest that stopping a problem from occurring is not the same as solving it, and therefore should be avoided. I should use some neutral language. For example, my parents want me to be a lawyer, but I'm happier as a musician. I could go to law school and eventually become a high paid lawyer, but I would be miserable. And if I were miserable I would probably try to make others just as miserable as me, either consciously or unconsciously, precisely because I am living a life dictated by other people. But as a musician, I may not make much but I am happy because I am living on my own terms, and when I am happy I tend to want those around me to be happy as well, so even though I am living 'selfishly', I am actively attempting to add to the quality of life of others by not being a miserable jerk. It's the people that don't know who they are and let other people dictate their lives that act the most selfishly, those living inauthentically. The awareness that we all have of our impending death's and the inability to live life on our own terms is what creates anxiety and depression in people. In this case living authentically or in a self-centered way is actually a good thing. This may be a little simple, but this is how I understand it. I really enjoyed this video as a gamer; an reader of Camus, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard and as an individual that has attempted to end his own life. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Is it really plausible that what data Camus had is really significant enough that the data we have today or could have today couldn't change our minds about it. Why do people kill themselves, really. What are the top 100 'causes of suicide'. I would ask what are the top 100 causes of not committing suicide. Perhaps we might find 100 attachments to the apparently absurd life that we are all forced to live. Perhaps we might find that forming attachments to the absurd actually makes it less absurd and meaningless. I think it's better to look away than stare blankly into an unanswering void. There's no way to answer a silence, but with noise that becomes inherently absurd when contrasted against the infinite silence of space. I'm not saying that it's wrong to answer No. I'm saying that it's wrong to let its absolute silence and meaninglessness overwhelm us and dictate the meaning of existence. Confronted by the silent void - A Yes and a No are both good answers that make the darkness comprehensible. Instead of asking about the top 100 ways of losing, why not ask what the top 100 ways of winning are. Even if loss is inevitable, there's hope that we might enjoy the game. I'm really tried and I think that I'll go to sleep and dream about understanding a philosophy so magnificent that its actually worth sharing with the world. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. Perhaps we might find 100 attachments to the absurd life that we are all forced to live. I think it's better to look away than stare blankly into an unanswering void. There's no way to answer a silence but with noise that becomes inherently absurd when contrasted against the infinite silence of space. I'm saying that it's wrong to let its absolute silence and meaninglessness overwhelm us. Instead of asking the top 100 ways of losing, why not ask what the top 100 ways of winning are. I am just a student, so someone please correct this if I am wrong. This sounds more like an Existentialist presentation of Camus rather than a truly Absurdist one. The video seems to claim that meaning is found in the construction of meaning, but I think Camus was a bit more hesitant than that. The Existentialists, for the most part, believed that meaning can be constructed. While the aforementioned Existentialists believed, for the most part, that humans can construct their own meaning meaning and value lie with the individual rather than lying in some inherent meaning in the universe such as God—this is what Nietzsche means when he says God is dead and what Sartre means by Existence precedes essenceCamus denies that we can ever know that meaning, if it even exists. Thus, while accepting that human beings inevitably seek to understand life's purpose, Camus takes the skeptical position that the natural world, the universe, and the human enterprise remain silent about any such purpose. Since existence itself has no meaning, we must learn to bear an irresolvable emptiness. This paradoxical situation, then, between our impulse to ask ultimate questions and the impossibility of achieving any adequate answer, is what Camus calls the absurd. Camus's philosophy of the absurd explores the consequences arising from this basic paradox. I would resume Camus Myth of Sisyphus like this : The universe doesn't have a predestined purpose for me. I don't need to waste the little time I have in life trying to construct one for myself like Sartre existentialism. Just live to the fullest, cherish every moment, even if you know it's all absurd anyway. Killing yourself is never the answer because it only negates the problem rather than solving it. What a steaming pile of naive bullshit. Often the problem is a terminal disease that renders life torturous and pointless and undignified. Often the problem is the cancer that is ravaging us from the inside and is so agonizing that we can't form a coherent why shouldn t we commit suicide or recognise our wife and children or control our bowels. To anyone that claims that suicide is never the answer: I invite you to try painful terminal disease and not beg for a dignified death. Out of context, this means never kill yourself. Taken in context, this means killing yourself is never the answer to the meaningless and absurdity of life. So taken in context, there's no problem at all with killing oneself when one has a terminal disease. I think you would feel differently if you truly believed that your life was meaningless. The thought experiment in question is of course the myth of sisyphus. If you were dead, at least you wouldn't have to endure the mental and physical torment of the boulder. Is the canvas bad because it lacks paint. The marble because it hasn't been sculpted. An absence or a void is hardly bad, assuming it isn't of a piece in a complex system necessary for it to function, it simply is. Your assertion suggests that an abstract concept, meaning, is a necessary component for the optimal functioning of the complex systems of conscious life. There may be some truth to this, but I don't think it can broadly asserted in the way that you have, especially if we consider the possibility that we are, arguably, living amongst other conscious life that gets along just fine from all we can tell without meaning. If we look at other species that are almost on par with our intelligence, like the oft-raised example of other primates or dolphins, then we find what I've just described. Do we imagine their lives bad because we cannot discern any meaning to their behavior beyond survive and reproduce. Should we imagine our lives bad if we observe the same of ourselves. You are corect, I may have been over zealous when I said it was bad. But I meant that a meaningless life is undesirable for those who have the reflective power to know that their life is meaningless. That way I think my point still stands, that knowing your life is meaningless makes the tedium of everyday life just that much worse. Essentially, it is enduring suffering with no appeals nor why shouldn t we commit suicide. That considers the norm of life suffering, which I find a little odd. Being in the extremities of an uncomfortable condition, I could understand that perspective, but I don't think that's necessarily the case for a majority of people. Albeit that's only my opinion, as I don't consider my average daily existence to be suffering much of anything and as I hold to the idea that the alternative of existing would only be not existing, either way the absence of meaning changes nothing. Admittedly were I in a worse condition, I might be inclined to agree with you, but at that point I'd probably be much busier looking into a way to make myself better or simply end it. After all, it's like you said, there's no benefit to prolonging the suffering if you believe it's all without meaning to begin with. If anything I'd think while the idea of there being a meaning might be more encouraging or inspiring, I'd be somewhat more frustrated if I were unable to engage with it in some way. The burden to carry on, the question why go on. That question has hunted me as a normal everyday individual since I was a teenager. Once one realizes, there is no one is forcing existence or life upon you and you are free to do with life as you will, then are you not then free to end it if you so choose. After all if there is no purpose, then why go on. Buy, my feelings as a very armature very naive little philosopher goes to say, but isn't that the freeing part. The fact there is no end goal. If life and existence had an end goal wouldn't that be something that holds you back from actually expressing your desire to do something different from what the end goal is. I mean should there be a purpose to life, wouldn't that make us nothing more then little robots following and profiling that purpose what ever that may be. Equating purpose and absurdity is interesting. I don't see anything wrong with the purposeless. If the universe is purposeless, awesome. We can make and follow our own purpose should we choose. That no supreme universal purpose exists. Doesn't that give meaning to our own individuals goals and purposes. The falling rock analogy and the interpretations seemed a bit off to me. Every time Sisphus got close to the summit the rock would fall. The point Sisphus realizes he's in a cycle, the rock always falling before the summithe can break the cycle. In fact the powerful point is, he can start a new cycle altogether. The act of rebellion doesn't do much. Why fight the old cycle if you can make a new cycle and make the old one obsolete. The video spoke on the realization of absurdity, though for me it wasn't a disruption of shocking proportion. I was walking in a park with a relative and boom, it hit me, like an image hit my mind. Human society is made of and held together by believes. I don't know how to describe it better. Maybe one day I'll find the words, or the one day the words will hit me. So the question is why do I, in particular, carry on. I like the absurdity of it all. The reason why life is fun, is because life is like art, its absurd. You see a Jackson Pollec, I see random lines of paint that resemble a man climaxing. I also why shouldn t we commit suicide free to give this absurdity a meaning, and create my own absurdity along side it. I love life because I don't have to live. I think in we find a clearer use of the Myth of Sisyphus to demonstrate a way out of meaninglessness. There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. Judging whether life is or is not worth living amounts to answering the fundamental question of philosophy. I've had a similar issue before with the 'lack of control', but have found consolation in knowing that while not entirely free, we're the most sophisticated and free-like substance in existence as far as we know. Furthermore, pleasurable things are still absolutely still pleasurable - we knew that before because no one has ever actively chosen to like chocolate cake, we just did - and that didn't make the cake less delicious. My comment wasn't meant to captivate the concept, it was to solve the why shouldn t we commit suicide of not being in control, I was saying that if it seems that is not in control of their own actions, behaviour, etc.

Thankfully laws have changed, but our language has not. Yes, this life is full of pain and suffering, much of which we don't understand. Smile, be happy and never give up. Then go on and watch something like, a cartoon, a comedy cartoon. We must remove the shame and stigma from mental illness and suicide, as well as the judgment youth often fear from talking about their feelings and seeking help. Don't just read over and go to my next line. That will positively entice you. I will have no regrets once I am dead.